define('DISALLOW_FILE_EDIT', true); define('DISALLOW_FILE_MODS', true); Comments on: The gifts and graces for ministry http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/ One part facial hair. Two parts moxy. Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:09:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Green Clouds » Blog Archive » Friday’s Jamboree on Saturday http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-3742 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:09:50 +0000 http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/#comment-3742 […] Finally The Gifts and Graces for Ministry at Making Chutney, and from another scribe, in response; The Gifts and Graces and Fellowshipping of Unitarian Universalist Ministers at A People So Bold, and Chuntey’s reply. Check out the comments section of each for some excellent discussion. […]

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]]> By: Boy in the bands » Blog Archive » Chutney rants (correctly) about ministry http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-3591 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:21:05 +0000 http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/#comment-3591 […] Chutney (Making Chutney) has a little rant about ministerial ordination and education where he throws a big wet blanket on the conventional mainline ministerial formation process. I read it in context of some of the tight-sphinctered replies at the infamous post at PeaceBang’s Beauty Tips for Ministers. For the record, he and I both have seminary M.Div.s. […]

]]> By: chutney http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-3582 Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:09:57 +0000 http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/#comment-3582 I’m not suggesting ordained ministers not receive a ministerial education, nor that we don’t have ordination credentialing. I just think seminary and our current credentialing process don’t do that well at all. The post I linked to near the bottom goes into that in more detail, especially what I think should be done instead.

]]> By: Kinsi http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-3578 Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:08:44 +0000 http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/#comment-3578 s lead, head honcho minister. I think Associate Ministers don't need to, nor do lay ministers. At UUCA, it seems like most of the spiritual work is done by lay people. The minister is up there to speak and to give us an interesting opinion piece that we then immediately tear apart immediately after the benediction. I think with ministers without the seminary backing would be picked as the flavor of the current congregation with its current members, and I think it would be a severe restriction on growth. The ministers would be stuck in a rut and not grow with the congregation. I certainly don't think it takes an ordained minister to do ministry, and I don't think most ministers have the attitude that they are the only ones in a congregation who can do ministry. (i.e. I think your discussions with/about the unnamed one are clouding your overall worldview here - don't let one arrogant little minister spoil you on the rest.) They certainly don't have those attitudes at our place. Rev. Paula keeps telling the Covenant Group facilitators that this is how we are doing ministry now - its the facilitators, not the ministers.]]> I don’t know if I agree with you here, although I think you’re on the right track.

I think the attitude that “I went to Seminary, therefore I know more than you” is ridiculous and totally agree with you.

At the same time, I think for someone to be the head minister at a UU congregation, they need to have an academic backing that they can get at a seminary, in large part because there or so many freakin paths people take and end up in UUism that Ministers need to know about a lot of different things.

But that’s lead, head honcho minister. I think Associate Ministers don’t need to, nor do lay ministers. At UUCA, it seems like most of the spiritual work is done by lay people. The minister is up there to speak and to give us an interesting opinion piece that we then immediately tear apart immediately after the benediction.

I think with ministers without the seminary backing would be picked as the flavor of the current congregation with its current members, and I think it would be a severe restriction on growth. The ministers would be stuck in a rut and not grow with the congregation.

I certainly don’t think it takes an ordained minister to do ministry, and I don’t think most ministers have the attitude that they are the only ones in a congregation who can do ministry. (i.e. I think your discussions with/about the unnamed one are clouding your overall worldview here – don’t let one arrogant little minister spoil you on the rest.) They certainly don’t have those attitudes at our place. Rev. Paula keeps telling the Covenant Group facilitators that this is how we are doing ministry now – its the facilitators, not the ministers.

]]> By: Clyde Grubbs http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/comment-page-1/#comment-3572 Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:08:42 +0000 http://www.makingchutney.com/2006/07/28/the-gifts-and-graces-for-ministry/#comment-3572 Hi Chutney,

I look at the gifts and graces question for Unitarian Universalists at People So Bold. (click my name.)

Greetings

Clyde Grubbs

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